Comments on: el diablo http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/ no humiliation wasted Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:16:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.3 by: Camilla http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93910 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:43:29 +0000 http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93910 Thanks Peepo! Keris, I did hear of one guy at uni who had a baby with his girlfriend when both were 20 but they stuck together so maybe he doesn't count? Thanks Peepo!

Keris, I did hear of one guy at uni who had a baby with his girlfriend when both were 20 but they stuck together so maybe he doesn’t count?

]]> by: Keris http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93906 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:32:40 +0000 http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93906 "Oh, I wish we had had just ONE charismatic lecturer! I do envy you that, Keris." We had quite a few actually, but they weren't that keen on encouraging independent thought. Well, they made out that they were, but really it was best if by thinking independently we came to agree with them. Maybe that's where I get it from ;) Hmm. Not sure that bloke in America counts since he wouldn't be having a baby at all if he wasn't formerly a woman. "Apart from him, I can’t help thinking that some boy, somewhere, did take his baby to uni with him at some time." I wanted to say, "Yes, I'm sure you're probably right." But I can't quite bring myself to. I just can't see it, to be honest. Maybe it has happened. Once. “Oh, I wish we had had just ONE charismatic lecturer! I do envy you that, Keris.”

We had quite a few actually, but they weren’t that keen on encouraging independent thought. Well, they made out that they were, but really it was best if by thinking independently we came to agree with them. Maybe that’s where I get it from ;)

Hmm. Not sure that bloke in America counts since he wouldn’t be having a baby at all if he wasn’t formerly a woman.

“Apart from him, I can’t help thinking that some boy, somewhere, did take his baby to uni with him at some time.”

I wanted to say, “Yes, I’m sure you’re probably right.” But I can’t quite bring myself to. I just can’t see it, to be honest. Maybe it has happened. Once.

]]> by: Peepo! http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93905 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:54:30 +0000 http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93905 Oh, I wish we had had just ONE charismatic lecturer! I do envy you that, Keris. Also “Having had a baby at her age, keeping it and taking him to uni with me, I felt really offended.” Quote of a quote, sorry but there is the man in America who's pregnant. Maybe he will take his baby to uni with him? Oh, well yes, his 'secret' is that he used to be a girl but now he's happily married to a woman, has a beard and is about to give birth. Apart from him, I can't help thinking that some boy, somewhere, did take his baby to uni with him at some time. I meant to say before - at Camilla - how much I admire and respect you. I couldn't have done it. But I couldn't have given my baby up either, not in a million squillion. That's just me, though, and of course we are all so very different, thank goodness! Oh, I wish we had had just ONE charismatic lecturer! I do envy you that, Keris.

Also “Having had a baby at her age, keeping it and taking him to uni with me, I felt really offended.”

Quote of a quote, sorry but there is the man in America who’s pregnant. Maybe he will take his baby to uni with him? Oh, well yes, his ’secret’ is that he used to be a girl but now he’s happily married to a woman, has a beard and is about to give birth. Apart from him, I can’t help thinking that some boy, somewhere, did take his baby to uni with him at some time.

I meant to say before - at Camilla - how much I admire and respect you. I couldn’t have done it. But I couldn’t have given my baby up either, not in a million squillion. That’s just me, though, and of course we are all so very different, thank goodness!

]]> by: Keris http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93904 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:11:14 +0000 http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93904 "I find it a tad disconcerting and a bit brainwashy that every single lecturer said the same thing about authorial intention." Ooh, sorry, missed this. I may be misremembering it, Peepo - it was 7+ years ago after all - but I certainly remember it coming up a LOT. Although one particularly lecturer does immediately spring to mind so it may just have been that he was so charismatic (he was) and convincing, he's overwhelmed the others in my memory. I wouldn't be surprised if their pet theories change from one semester to the next, never mind over two years. In fact, when I started they were all pronouncing Don Juan and Don Quixote the, um, Spanish (?) way and by the semester it was all "Don Joo-an" and "Don Quick-sote" (which I could not get used to!). Hey ho. Also "Having had a baby at her age, keeping it and taking him to uni with me, I felt really offended." You know how I said pregnancy *is* a girl thing? I wonder if, in the history of the world, any boy has ever taken a baby to uni with him... “I find it a tad disconcerting and a bit brainwashy that every single lecturer said the same thing about authorial intention.”

Ooh, sorry, missed this. I may be misremembering it, Peepo - it was 7+ years ago after all - but I certainly remember it coming up a LOT. Although one particularly lecturer does immediately spring to mind so it may just have been that he was so charismatic (he was) and convincing, he’s overwhelmed the others in my memory.

I wouldn’t be surprised if their pet theories change from one semester to the next, never mind over two years. In fact, when I started they were all pronouncing Don Juan and Don Quixote the, um, Spanish (?) way and by the semester it was all “Don Joo-an” and “Don Quick-sote” (which I could not get used to!). Hey ho.

Also “Having had a baby at her age, keeping it and taking him to uni with me, I felt really offended.”

You know how I said pregnancy *is* a girl thing? I wonder if, in the history of the world, any boy has ever taken a baby to uni with him…

]]> by: Keris http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93903 Fri, 30 May 2008 16:17:13 +0000 http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93903 "there are so few positive cultural role models of teenage mums, but it doesn’t have to be a disaster" You need to watch Gilmore Girls, Camilla! “there are so few positive cultural role models of teenage mums, but it doesn’t have to be a disaster”

You need to watch Gilmore Girls, Camilla!

]]> by: Diane http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93902 Fri, 30 May 2008 13:43:35 +0000 http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93902 I know, it's as if we think girls get themselves pregnant, or something... lol. It's supposed to be raining here this weekend, every day - I'm hoping it'll be brief! It's still quite warm, even though it's almost "winter"! x I know, it’s as if we think girls get themselves pregnant, or something… lol.

It’s supposed to be raining here this weekend, every day - I’m hoping it’ll be brief! It’s still quite warm, even though it’s almost “winter”! x

]]> by: Camilla http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93901 Fri, 30 May 2008 12:37:34 +0000 http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93901 Thanks for the link! I think not only do we have to be less critical of teen pregnancy (all those uncontrolled girls having sex! fancy that!) but we also need to be hypercritical of the losers who get them pregnant - never see any stats about them! Hope Oz is lovely! We're having a brief lull in the rain. Thanks for the link! I think not only do we have to be less critical of teen pregnancy (all those uncontrolled girls having sex! fancy that!) but we also need to be hypercritical of the losers who get them pregnant - never see any stats about them!

Hope Oz is lovely! We’re having a brief lull in the rain.

]]> by: Peepo! http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93900 Fri, 30 May 2008 12:33:54 +0000 http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93900 Nay, Diane, t'was me being RE-introduced to those words, surely!! (You cannot teach your grandmother to suck eggs) And I'm sure I'm never, ever critical... Hey Keris - "But every single lecturer told us that authorial intention was unimportant. Even if the author had written about what he/she meant, we were to ignore that. Is it Barthes? I think it might be Barthes. But also I graduated in 2001 and that may well be out of fashion now. It changes all the time, I think." I find it a tad disconcerting and a bit brainwashy that every single lecturer said the same thing about authorial intention. How can they say such a thing with conviction? They can't. What happened to encouraging individual perception? We had to struggle with Barthes, too, at Uni but only as a considering all aspects kind of thing. And what of his own authorial intention? After all, he wrote too - what of analyses of his writings? Plus I graduated in 2003 - so we're both in this millennium, not that old fashioned. To go back to the theme of the film, the UK is now supposed to be the place with the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the world. A great record! Something is definitely wrong with our education system, somewhere. Nay, Diane, t’was me being RE-introduced to those words, surely!! (You cannot teach your grandmother to suck eggs) And I’m sure I’m never, ever critical…
Hey Keris -
“But every single lecturer told us that authorial intention was unimportant. Even if the author had written about what he/she meant, we were to ignore that. Is it Barthes? I think it might be Barthes. But also I graduated in 2001 and that may well be out of fashion now. It changes all the time, I think.”
I find it a tad disconcerting and a bit brainwashy that every single lecturer said the same thing about authorial intention. How can they say such a thing with conviction? They can’t. What happened to encouraging individual perception? We had to struggle with Barthes, too, at Uni but only as a considering all aspects kind of thing. And what of his own authorial intention? After all, he wrote too - what of analyses of his writings? Plus I graduated in 2003 - so we’re both in this millennium, not that old fashioned.
To go back to the theme of the film, the UK is now supposed to be the place with the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the world. A great record! Something is definitely wrong with our education system, somewhere.

]]> by: Diane http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93899 Fri, 30 May 2008 09:57:04 +0000 http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93899 You're right, Camilla, there are so few positive cultural role models of teenage mums, but it doesn't have to be a disaster - maybe if we were all a bit less hysterical about teenage pregnancy it would help... Are you familiar with the writer Ariel Gore? She had a baby as a teen and is passionate about getting out a positive message, which makes a nice change! x http://arielgore.com/index.html You’re right, Camilla, there are so few positive cultural role models of teenage mums, but it doesn’t have to be a disaster - maybe if we were all a bit less hysterical about teenage pregnancy it would help… Are you familiar with the writer Ariel Gore? She had a baby as a teen and is passionate about getting out a positive message, which makes a nice change! x

http://arielgore.com/index.html

]]> by: Camilla http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93898 Fri, 30 May 2008 08:56:47 +0000 http://dianeshipley.com/2008/05/28/el-diablo/#comment-93898 Really, it just pissed me off that at no time did Juno think she could keep her baby, go to college and have a good life. It's like the miscarriage thing you mentioned in Party of Five etc, Juno had to 'redeem' herself for being a sexual female by giving up the baby. Having had a baby at her age, keeping it and taking him to uni with me, I felt really offended. Really, it just pissed me off that at no time did Juno think she could keep her baby, go to college and have a good life. It’s like the miscarriage thing you mentioned in Party of Five etc, Juno had to ‘redeem’ herself for being a sexual female by giving up the baby.

Having had a baby at her age, keeping it and taking him to uni with me, I felt really offended.

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